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Last.fm-like multiple tag system

Wouldn't it be great to have a multiple tag system like in last fm (or with firefox3 bookmarks) (or with your add-on download page ;-P). For example, I could tag a song with "soundtrack" "classic rock" "movie" and "60s" cause all these are relevant. I think the easiest way is to handle the genre field. Tagging a song with "soul, funk, rnb, female vocalist" would make it appear in genre "soul", "funk", ... I think it will greatly integrate with tag cloud add-on. I was lacking this feature in iTunes and had to use the multiple fields they offer (group, genre, comment...) to do the same thing. With great library, it will definitely make browsing easier.
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  • Would be sweet if there was a way to specify also multiple artists...
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    Hi there, I just stumbled over the discussion here. Maybe I have something to contribute :).
    I'm currently working on a simple tagging solution. As already mentationed here it's based on comma seperated values stored in tag comments. I started this as an education project for me a while ago stopped the work on it and finally picked it up again.
    The project started as a modification of the "divided tag cloud" extension. For now it's far from complete (I wouldn't even call it in alpha stage).
    Currently the tagging (add/remove tags for current playing track) and the filtering with the tag cloud (include/exclude tags) is working.
    This is what it's looking right now:

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    Warning: Try this only in a sandboxed environment (separate profile, backed up media, etc). I'm not responsible for any damage or data loss!
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    If you aren't scared right now you can check out the source from public svn here . But beware: I'm not a programmer - only a hobbyist so be prepared ;).
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    isn't there just some way to sync up one's last.fm tags with a song's tags in songbird, and vice-versa? In other words, if I change a song's tags in songbird, it would be sent to last.fm. I'm not familiar with last.fm's api so I don't know, but I know one of the biggest downside's of their tagging is not being able to which songs have multiple tags. this would be a great way to manage both local library tags, and cloud tags at the same time. Are is this just a pipe dream?
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    • Murphy, yep it will be both, some media views (currently a cloud as shown in the screener above) and a tree (useful if you have a lot of tags). These components should be the basic stuff to build upon if they show to be usable and useful. Technically the tags should be readable from any extension.
    • Murphy, yep it will be both, some media views (currently a cloud as shown in the screener above) and a tree (useful if you have a lot of tags). The tagger is actually a pane wich (when finished) can be shown in any SB pane. These components should be the basic stuff to build upon if they show to be usable and useful. Technically the tags should be readable from any extension.
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    What I think would be really cool is the ability to have hierarchal tags, tags that are part of another tag (and the could be user-assigned so people who don't use the feature won't have it getting in their way because all the tags could be top level)

    For example, I organize my music in extremely general genre categories: Academic, Acoustic/Folk, Ambient/Electronic, Avantgarde, Experimental, Hip-Hop/Rap, Jazz?Blues, Metal, and so on. That way I don't have to decide what specific type of, say, Rock I want to listen to at any given moment, I can just listen to Rock. (Which I admit has some limitations) However given the ability to assign hierarchal tags I could choose to play general rock and/or pick a specific sub-genre I want to listen to.

    An example of hierarchal tags:

    Rock
    -Indie Rock
    --Indietronic
    -Acoustic Rock
    -Punk Rock
    --Post Punk

    Metal
    -Folk Metal
    -Heavy Metal
    -Black Metal
    (I'm afraid I'm not so well versed in the relationships between various forms of metal, sorry)

    ...and so on
    • Hi Carlos, for now I do this by pre-filtering the genre tag with songbirds intelligent playlists (e.g. filter by Rock). Then I use the extension to specify wich sub-genre I want (e.g. 'Post' to get 'Post Rock' & 'Post Punk'). What also can be done is to set the filtering to match only substrings. So if you filter by 'Rock' all tags like 'Classic Rock', 'Post Rock' will be matched. Generally you may use any simple regular expression. The only problem is building a simple interface for this type of filtering (so there is only exact-match or substring-match for now).
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    Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but making tags for all off my library would be a lot of work. I think that having a last.fm like tagging system would work best just by using last's already existing tag database. I'd like a way to just search through last's tags for my songs, and be able to tag them through songbird for my last account. It would save a lot of work for everybody.
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  • I'd like to be able to create my own tags to organize my music, not have to deal with some of the crap tags on last.fm.

    For example, an album I was listening to (and enjoying) the other day was tagged on last.fm as "douche".

    I personally clean up all the metadata on all my music so I can have complete control. I'm really excited about the multiple tag system ideas put forth here, but if it gets tied to last.fm, I won't use it at all. Period.
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  • I would agree with EasyMac... last.fm tags are useless.
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  • it should be possible to put certain wanted tags on a white list or unwanted tags on a black one.

    tags would be fetched in dependency of those lists
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  • Atreiu asked if I had any ideas about how a tagging system could work in Songbird, and I made a mockup of what I think it would look like if it were officially implemented. I thought it might be worth sharing to give anyone ideas.



    I figured you should be able to add tags to songs quickly and frequently, so I made a tag bar separate from the metadata editing box because I thought it would be easier. I based it off of Firefox's Find bar. It could be shown or hidden by clicking on the tag button in the status bar or with a keyboard shortcut. I made it treat tags exactly like last.fm does; after typing a comma and space after a term, it turns it into a single item that can be removed by hitting the x on it. You should be able to tag whatever songs are selected, not just the currently playing one, because I'm sure people will want to be able to select a bunch of tracks and add a few tags to all of them.

    As you add each term, it could be added to the Tag column in the song list. I thought this would be important to have, because it would allow you to see what tags your songs currently have. I also replaced the Genre filter in the media view with a Tag filter, because I think this tag system would basically be an improved genre system. I also thought it was important to have have the tag filter along side the usual Artist and Album filters, because I know I would be using them interchangeably, not just one or the other. For example, sometimes I would probably just want to listen to a specific album, but other times I might be in a certain mood and decide to listen to a particular tag.

    Finally, I have the last.fm icon at the end of the tag bar because I figured last.fm could provide some important functionality to the tagging system. If you could click it, it could give you the option to sync the tags of the selected tracks to your profile. This would allow you to download tags if you have already added them on songs in last.fm, and if your last.fm profile didn't have any, it would add your library's tags to it, giving you a way to store your tags in the cloud. It could also give you the option to view the popular public tags that people have added to tracks and download them if you wish.
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  • I’m excited
    This would push Songbird way ahead of iTunes as by far my favorite media player.
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    once upon a time, qloud did this for itunz and I guess for songbird too.. http://www.qloud.com/tutorial/iTunes/tutorial.html. You could tag any artist, album or track separately with online tag recommendations. But I don't know why, suddenly, they stopped the project.
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  • Looks amazing. I am ready to sign... can we please implement this? Songbird rules, but it could rule so much more
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  • just wanted to mention my topic an suggestions again...
    http://gsfn.us/t/3y6j

    here in short how I could imagine how it could look like:

    Ability to Filter the Labels: (Only the matching ones are shown)


    Choosing labels with "AND" or "OR" connection


    and how it could be done using just one line:
    (Sorry graphic is not nice looking, just to show the idea)
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  • Because by now there are three Bug report on this (at least what I found, If you find more let me know!) and several discussion I made this list, just to keep track of it...

    Here some links:
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  • right now I try to have a closer look on tagging, and how multiple tagging is realized at other players.
    I NEED AN EXPERT TO HELP

    Question: Who has an editor that actually shows the string that is written in the tag?

    writing separators:
    some media players seem to actually write the separator they use in their editor to the tag
    --> in MM writing a "; " is shown in mp3tag as "; "
    --> in MM writing a "\\" is shown in mp3tag as "\\" but not recognized in MM.
    (written in foobar or mp3tag "\\" is recognized as separator)

    others seem to write something else in the tag (the "null-character" like defined in id3v2 standard???)
    --> in foobar writing a "; " is shown in mp3tag as "\\"
    and in the id3tagitself it seems to be "null" of UTF8 (external forum)

    --> in WMP writing a "; " is shown in mp3tag only as the first entry (the one behind the semicolon is just missing)

    who has more info about that?

    recognizing/handling of imported separators:

    tagged with mp3tag, separator written: "\\"
    1)in foobar handled as multi field
    2) in MM handled as multi field
    3) in WMP NOTHING is shown

    tagged with mp3tag separator written: "; "
    1)in foobar handled as multi field
    2) in MM handled as multi field
    3) in WMP handled as multi field

    tagged with foobar, separator written: "; "
    separator shown im mp3tag: "\\"
    1)in foobar handled as multi field
    2) in MM handled as multi field
    3) in WMP handled as multi field
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    hey, what about going one step further?

    each tag should have a category to make clear what the tag describes.

    for are some tags with categories for example:

    Category: Genre
    Tags: Jazz, Electro, Rock, Metal

    Category: Mood
    Tags: Happy, Sad, Calm

    Category: Instrumentation
    Tags: Guitar, Strings, Steel Drums, Flute

    Category: Occasion
    Tags: Party, Chill out, Meditation, Sex, Funeral

    Category: Association
    Tags: Black Dust, Ocean, Little Green Dwarf

    Category: Vocals
    Tags: Female, Male, Choir

    Category: Topic
    Tags: Love, Suicide, Political

    the categories itself should be totally free named. people could add there own categories:

    Category: Colour
    Tags: Blue, Green, Dark Red

    Category: Memory
    Tags: Seen Live, First Kiss, Christmas 2008

    Category: BPM
    Tags: 60, 120, 374, 10000

    Category: Soundtracks
    Tags: The Royal Tennenbaums, Pulp Fiction, Back to the Future, Final Fantasy X
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  • I would like this feature a lot. Any news?
    Unfortunately, the Tag Cloud Generator add-on seems to be "abandoned" for a year now...
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  • I was thinking it cold already be possible if you use Smart playlists. I use Picard to tag my mp3s which downloads the most popular tags from Last.fm os have a massive list of tags for each track. I use smart lists to looks for particular tags I want to hear e.g. search for Genre with "Electro" in it. Would be nice if there was a pannel that made these smart lists automatically from all available tags...?
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  • Just throwing my voice on the pile. This is absolutely my #1 most wanted feature. (#2 is integrated BPM detection and tagging.)

    Worry about the fancy stuff—e.g., integration with last.fm—after the basic functionality is in place. It can't be that difficult to create an extra field that accepts comma-separated tags, and then add a "Tags" box to the Filter Pane View.

    I'm going to try MediaMonkey to see whether it can fulfill my needs.
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  • I’m desperate for it?
    And how wonderful it would be if this automatically filled in the tag system according somewhat according to your distribution of playlists.

    then also when i am cleaning up my library and see a song is tagged inside of certain playlists i could attend to it accordingly.
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