Mod wheel not working

So has anything been resolved with the mod wheel not working for dynamics in strings and brass ?
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  • I just spoke to tech support on the phone this morning and they are not aware of this problem of the mod wheel not controlling dynamics even though everyone else who uses these products are.

    The tech on the phone couldn't get it to work either and thought maybe it wasn't supposed to do anything or only certain patches . This is what it says on the website under features :
    "Keyboard mod wheel swells volume for intense dynamics"

    And this is an important feature for Orchestral instruments . I sure hope there is an update and a fix for this problem soon.
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  • The mod wheel does nothing, unless you assign it to something via MIDI learn.

    The statement about "Keyboard mod wheel swells volume for intense dynamics" on the product page seems to refer to a feature that never made it into the released product.

    This question has been floating about for a while now, and there is even a YouTube video made by a user offering a workaround solution using the mod wheel to control the filter.

    It would be nice to have a fix, but not sure if the development team is still involved with these products.
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  • The Modulation Wheel is a dedicated controller in the MIDI specification - it will always send CC01. This is a MIDI Channel message (Control Change message) defined as Modulation Wheel. By default, this program is not configured to respond to this message.

    The only other workaround that I have discovered is to use your DAW to map the Mod Wheel CC01 message to the track volume slider for the track in your DAW that has Orchestral Strings inserted. You can control the volume that way, providing "natural swells available via the modulation wheel".

    To do this, you would need to consult your DAW's user guide for how to activate Remote Control, or MIDI Learn for the DAW mixer strips.
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    Yes I have used the the filter sweep workaround as well but agree that is is not the same as sample dynamic levels with the mod wheel which is how it is supposed to function . I use the mod wheel all the time to control dynamics with my EW libs etc.

    I also have tried the midi learn function for the cc1 and the mod wheel in the sonivox strings /brass/wwinds and it will not function . My last phone conversation with tech support was they passed this info on to programmers and are supposed to be working on a fix. Keeping my fingers crossed .
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  • This is an interesting MIDI tutorial that relates the volume ranges of 0-127 to actual loudness, This attempts to address "just what does 127, or 100, or 64, or any other value actually mean in terms of note loudness?", in how it compares to written music notation.

    fff = forte-fortissimo = extremely loud.
    ff = fortissimo = very loud.
    f = forte = loud.
    mf = mezzo forte = slightly loud.
    mp = mezzo piano = slightly soft.
    p = piano = soft.
    pp = pianissimo = very soft.
    ppp = piano-pianissimo = extremely soft.

    http://midi-tutor.proboards.com/threa...
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  • So the mod wheel problem isn't really soved? I assume it doesn't work in their other libraries either then, so no point in buying them. The mod wheel is absolutely needed when working with orchestral libraries.
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  • We need to have the mod wheel work as expected on CC01. No workarounds, please. Richard from Minnesota, USA.
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  • The only way in orchestral companion strings, brass or woodwinds is to put the filter on low pass 1p, and assign via the learn button the modwheel to the filter.
    Dont forget to deactivate the learn button.
    Greetsssssss,
    Peter from Belgium
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  • Yes I've used this filter sweep work around which does help but this is just basically a volume control . It doesn't really control actual dynamic layers that were recorded, the way most orchestral libraries work . The instruments don't sound the same when played soft ,medium, or loud as they have different timbres.
    All my higher end libs , East West , Spitfire, Audiobro etc. all function with true dynamic layers with the mod wheel but also are much more expensive.
    I have hardly used the sonovox stuff and only bought them because they were cheap at the time and a small footprint for my laptop for quick sketches. It would be nice if this was fixed but I guess you basically get what you pay for .
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  • If I had a do over I would spend the money on Kirk Hunter Virtuoso Ensembles.

    It is on sale now for $89. :)

    https://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/pro...
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  • The Kirk Hunter ensembles are pretty decent, I bought those a few months ago on sale for the same price . You get all four sections and your basic articulations ,it's a small foot print as well under 3 GB so nice to keep it on my laptop without an external drive for quick sketches . Originally I got the sonovox strings on sale for $1 so I can't complain there . I upgraded to all the rest for I think $54 which I probably should have passed on.
    But, there is something about the fine details you get with larger orchestral libs, they have been getting so much better. I have been lately using Spitfire libraries on my main studio computer for serious productions. They are pretty expensive. I went a little overboard during the Black friday 60% off sales which was a good deal and picked up quite few. Strings alone take up 150GB . I am very impressed with their products but then again you pay for what you get.
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  • They are decent sounding samples, but the lack of dynamics and expression control is a disappointment. I have much better control with my other virtual instruments, which are mostly synthesizers.

    I think that is the most annoying shortcoming with the SONiVOX orchestral stuff.

    Otherwise it was a great deal to upgrade from the Orchestral Companion Strings, and get the rest.

    I am not yet ready to drop some serious money on an orchestral library. I was just looking to stick my toes in the water, at an entry level price.
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  • While I am not very experienced with using orchestral libraries, I would like to try working with dynamics, so I've thought about the problem and come up with more workarounds to try.

    The Expression CC seems to have an effect on the sample change, so that is one to try mapping to the mod wheel.

    Also, many DAW's allow versatile enough mapping of MIDI CC's that you may map multiple CC's to one controller, so we may try mapping both volume and expression to the mod wheel simultaneously.

    If the DAW does not allow this, there is a free MIDI utility that I use called KX-MIDI-FILTER that will: http://kx77free.free.fr/English-page-...

    Good luck!
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  • Yes there are some work arounds to simulate dynamics such as the filter sweep discussed earlier in this thread which act more like volume controls which helps slightly, although I was never able to get CC1 to work on the mod wheel by mapping it there . Some of the other knobs can be mapped with midi learn.

    However ,true dynamics on the better libraries are recorded by the player with very soft to loud notes when the sampling is done, and then crossfading the samples with the mod wheel to get the dynamics. The timbre of instruments sound much different when played very softly to very loud.
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  • Yes, but the thing that really gripes me is that the official SONiVOX product page still has this:

    "Playable Programs"
    "Each patch and preset is easily playable by virtually every level of performer. All instruments are presented in multi-velocity layers, with natural swells available via the modulation wheel."

    http://sonivoxmi.com/products/details...

    You would think that they would either fix it, or take that statement down. It is incorrect.
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  • Yes it is incorrect and You would think they would either fix it or change the statement on the product page .
    Earlier in this thread over a year ago I contacted tech support and they said they would pass it on to the programmers . I'm guessing nothing will change and they have moved on to other products.
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  • Well that's disappointing! This feature was main reason I bought the thing. Luckily it was heavily discounted. Some nice sounds there though.
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