Any reason to continue one's Lion upgrade procrastination???

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I'm a late adopter plus I was traveling and like to upgrade "all" our computers at about the same time.

So now I'm about to open JWK's TC of Upgrading Lion (1.2) and get to work. I've used Joe's TC books for ___ upgrades (as many as he has written) and have always been very pleased with the result and the process too.

My other reason for delay was hearing some problems with iCloud and knowing I'd probably want to migrate there at the same time. Being dependent on BusyCal and BusyToDo I didn't want to make the iCloud move prematurely.

Any reason at this "late" date to hesitate on upgrading to Lion? My lone client of my Mac tech support will "shoot me" if her Mac doesn't like the new feline. ;) ;)

Thanks.
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Honestly, if you don't need to upgrade to Lion and iCloud right now, I'd still wait a bit longer. iCloud is getting quite a bit of shaking out, and problems there could cause you quite some headaches.

The big thing is to make sure you can upgrade everything - Macs and iOS devices and MobileMe accounts - simultaneously. If anything needs to get left behind (or can't upgrade), life gets complicated.

cheers... -Adam
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I don't mean to gainsay Adam, but I have exactly the opposite opinion! I would absolutely recommend upgrading to Lion immediately. As for iCloud, if all your devices can use it, I see no major issues that are likely to be any different a few months from now. Sure, there are still some small glitches, but nothing that would prevent me from recommending it.
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It's a tie. ;)

Thank you both. Now I have to decide. Not fair. ;)

Let's see.....I know I have a backup strategy that rivals Adam's and Adam's ISKM got me going with my Mac and the internet many, many years ago ..... but then Joe has saved me many times and his recommendations whether his TC books or posts/emails are usually/always right on.

Hmm....So now what?

Stay tuned.... I'm sure everyone reading this cares. ;) lol
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My advice, which I've come to after talking to a number of MUGs recently, is based on the basic premise that you get work done on your Mac with apps, not with the OS. So the OS doesn't really matter all that much one way or another (assuming you don't need Rosetta). At some point, Lion will be required, so it's merely a matter of when, not if. But it feels to me as though iCloud is still having teething pains, which says to me that if what you have now works, there's no shame in waiting a few more weeks to make the jump.

Of course, should you need anything in Lion or iCloud, that's the reason to make the jump sooner rather than later. But remember, you really have to do it all at once.
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Except...there's no problem upgrading to Lion first, and then moving to iCloud later. You should move all your devices to iCloud at the same time, but nothing about moving to Lion forces you to use iCloud rather than MobileMe.
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Absolutely true, though the impetus often comes in the other direction - wanting iCloud on an iOS 5 device and then being forced to upgrade Macs to Lion.
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Joe or Adam:

Could use your advice.

I gave my wife a new computer for Christmas but she opted for an iPad instead. Female prerogative. ;)

So, as she is downstairs opening up the iPad, I'm thinking she will be faced with the issue of whether to use iCloud on not. Her MB Pro is not upgradeable to Lion so she is not using iCloud on her iPhone 4.

What is best option?

I think one approach might be:

1. Move to iCloud on her iPhone, set up her new iPad with iCloud.

2. Stop using MobileMe for syncing Mac to iPhone (and what would now also be iPad syncing).

3. Plug in iPhone or iPad to her Mac from time to time to sync?

Would this work? Is there a better approach?

BTW, she uses BusyCal and Address Book a good deal. And uses Joe's approach to email bliss.

Thank you,

Norm
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Ack: A f/u:
She is faced now with either using her existing Apple ID or a new one.

She has one for MobileMe and then she has another (dot mac) for iTunes, iChat, iPhoto and Apple Store.

I'm thinking an entire new Apple ID but that may mess up the works.

Help!

Thanks,

Norm
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The only real limitation of moving to iCloud for the Snow Leopard Mac is the lack of Address Book syncing. The only workaround for that is Chronos's SOHO Organizer, or you can do USB syncing for contacts in iTunes, I think. BusyCal will sync with iCloud just fine for events.

Definitely do NOT set up a new Apple ID. I'd recommend trying to do everything with one, and abandon the other if possible. The more you have, the more confusion you'll create.
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I'll only add a reminder that you can't migrate from MobileMe to iCloud on an iOS device; you MUST use a Mac running Lion (or a PC) at least briefly to accomplish that. More details in the book.
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Adam:
Thanks. Linda likes the KISS principle.
However, I did just read your copy of Chris Owen's Apple ID fiasco. Gives me pause as to which of her current Apple IDs or maybe a new one is "cleaner."
Thank you,
Norm
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Joe:
Thank you.
Directly after I posted I realized I had read a rather thorough review of Apple IDs but I couldn't remember if it was a TC or a TidBITS staff in a Macworld article.
Tonya rescued my poor memory pointing me to your TC of iCloud.
Thanks for the migrating warning. I'll look for that as I reread that part of your TC of iCloud.
Thanks,
Norm
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I don't think there's any way of protecting yourself against Apple's missteps. Just pick the Apple ID that makes the most sense because it has been used in the most places.
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Adam:

When you said (wish I knew how to quote here):

Adam C. Engst (Publisher) 9 hours ago
"The only real limitation of moving to iCloud for the Snow Leopard Mac is the lack of Address Book syncing. The only workaround for that is Chronos's SOHO Organizer, or you can do USB syncing for contacts in iTunes, I think. BusyCal will sync with iCloud just fine for events."

What happens to iCal if one device, the Mac, is not on iCloud and the two iOS devices are? From what you've said BusyCal will sync with iCloud. Does that mean it is syncing with iCal on that same computer via iCloud and the iOS devices?

Thanks,

Norm
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There are workarounds for iCal too, but if you're using BusyCal, you can just ignore iCal entirely. So it drops out of the equation.

http://tidbits.com/article/12662
http://tidbits.com/article/12669
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Perfect.
Thanks much for the help.
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Adam (or Joe):

Adam, when you said:

The only real limitation of moving to iCloud for the Snow Leopard Mac is the lack of Address Book syncing. The only workaround for that is Chronos's SOHO Organizer, or you can do USB syncing for contacts in iTunes, I think. BusyCal will sync with iCloud just fine for events.

Does that go for he Mail on Snow Leopard syncing with her iPad and iPhone now on iCloud.? So will her mail sync OK through Google servers and not be dependent on all being on iCloud?

She, and I, use Joe's "Email Bliss" approach of Gmail mail accounts with Apple Mail on our Macs.

Thank you,

Norm
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Gmail is entirely unrelated to iCloud, so yes, all will be fine.
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Thanks Adam. Appreciate.

That is what I thought but she has been experiencing reading emails on one of her three devices and the email not showing up as read, even after several hours, on one or both of the others.

I'll go look for either "operator error" ;), settings or Google.

Thanks again,

Norm
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Personally, I prefer Gmail's Web interface, and since it's the source, there's never any question of differences in different places.
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It would be a dull world....

I've never been able to figure our Gmail's labels and the way they present threads, etc.

So much prefer reading mail in Apple Mail. A new Eudora would be even better. ;)

Thanks.
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Hi Adam and Joe:

I've now moved my devices (MBP, MBA, and iPhone) to Lion and iOS 5.

Are the two of you still split on switching to iCloud from MobileMe?

FWIW, I use BusyCal heavily.

Thanks for any updates.

Appreciate,

Norm
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If you have everything running Lion and iOS 5, then there's really no reason to keep using MobileMe, as far as I can see. The only reason to procrastinate was if certain devices couldn't upgrade and needed to participate in a serious way.
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I can't think of any valid reason to wait, especially if all your devices are already using Lion or iOS 5. I'm having zero problems with iCloud, and hearing very little chatter about other people having problems. It seems to be behaving very solidly.
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Thank you both very much.

I gather this move will "split" any calendar that has To Dos and Events into two calendars. I'll work through that with BusyCal support.

I appreciate your advice.

Cheers,

Norm
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Yes, that's true - events and to-dos are now in separate calendars in iCloud. Not a big deal, though.
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Thanks.