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365 spring water: a question for people everywhere

Recently I noted that 365 spring water is bottled by CG Roxane (which equals Crystal Geyser, a water I happen to like). It appears that Whole Foods uses at least a few different bottlers for the 365 brand, including two CG sources (Benton, TN and Salem, SC) and Wissahickon in Hamburg, PA, which is near me.

I have two different sized bottles in front of me, one from Benton and the other from Salem (both from the same store).

If you happen to be drinking 365 water, tell me where it was bottled (I'm just curious, not greenraged).
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    Hello there Lewis, Thanks so much for your question. You've definitely read the fine print and actually knew more than I do about the sources of our 365 bottled spring water...and I've been a Whole Foods Market Team Member since 2001:) Anyway, you are correct that our 365 water comes multiple sources. I don't have the list of sources on me, but will see that you get a complete list of our vendor's bottling sources as soon as possible. Know this doesn't answer your question, but wanted to let you know that I'm working on it . Thanks, again, and hope all is well. -Slaton, Whole Foods Market Team Member
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    Cool, thanks! I'm still a little curious about where water from different sources ends up after it's bottled, but a list of them would be great. Either way, I'm happy over here knowing I can get Crystal Geyser at 365-brand prices.
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    Hey Lewis, I am a Team Member of the Private Label Guest Services Team at Whole Foods Market.

    The locations of the springs are as follow: Benton, TN; Olancha, CA; Moultoborough, NH; Shasta, CA and Salem, SC.

    Hope that satisfies your thirst and your curiosity! Have a good one!
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  • I’m not easily fooled by gung ho employees
    well it would be nice to know, as Lewis suggests, that the customer know where his or her particular bottle comes from. It is of course important to know that it comes from a spring. But his underlying question was: how far did it travel? Some of us are serious about buying local.
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    Mine says "Source bottled at CG Roxane Black Spring, Arkansas 71930".
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  • Where can I find a list of these sources on Whole Foods web site?
    A bigger question is does any of the bottled 365 water contain fluoride or any chemical additive?
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  • No, 365 water contains only naturally occurring fluoride and absolutely no chemical additives. Actually, as a matter of principal Whole Foods Market features products that contain no chemical additives, period.

    You can read Whole Foods Market's quality standards, which clearly underscore a commitment to foods in their purest state here: http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/produ...

    Full transparency: I worked for Whole Foods Market for 8 years, though I'm not currently a team member

    Slaton Carter
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  • Thanks for the link Slaton,
    What is naturally occurring Fluoride and how does it find it's way into spring water?
    Also wondering why Whole Foods sells conventional products?
    They're grown with chemicals and surely not pure.
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  • No problem, Debra. Well, fluoride is a naturally occurring element in rocks and soil. I'm not positive that it's present in 365 water or not, but it wouldn't surprise me since it's in many natural sources of spring water.

    Whole Foods Market sells "conventional" produce products because in part many customers demand a wider variety than would be possible if WFM carried only organic products. Also, conventional products are still, unfortunately, occasionally cheaper than their organic equivalent. It's important to note here that WFM has done more than any single business to draw national, even international attention, to and support for organic, sustainable products. By increasing awareness of the importance of organic products and working within the confines of the USDA to fairly and accurately label organic products, Whole Foods has also been able to lower prices, making them more affordable for a much larger number of people.

    OK, I'll shut up now. As you can tell, I'm pretty passionate about what I feel WFM is doing right... :)

    Thanks and take care.

    Slaton Carter
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  • I appreciate your comments Slaton, and must say that I have been a faithful WF customer since they first opened in Palo Alto.
    Now that WF is mainstream it would set a grand example toward true healthy eating if WF insisted that all it's growers become organic growers. If this fine example were set by WF and they and their customer base refused chemical convention, the current conventional growers would be forced to go organic.
    WF customers are smart consumers and I'll bet that they'd pay the slightly higher prices at the check out counter to avoid the MUCH higher hospital costs!
    In good health....
    debra
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  • How cool to come across this thread.

    I love WFM and the product which I buy most frequently happens to be the 365 spring water 1 gallon bottle. I abhor the use of plastic bottles but feel that I will go through any length necessary to avoid tap water because of the very unhealthy substances found in them, namely sodium flouride and chlorine.

    My resolve began to waver though, after watching an enlightening documentary called Tapped (you can find it on Hulu) which made me feel very uneasy..
    Can anyone please give me information about the plastic bottles themselves? Where and how are they produced and will WFM consider adopting a "bottle bill" system which may help ensure that as many bottles as possible are being recycled?

    The plastic used is PETE #1 and here is a quote taken directly from the website www.life.gaiam.com:

    "Health advocates also recommend not reusing bottles made from plastic #1 (polyethylene terephthalate, also known as PET or PETE), including most single-use water, soda and juice bottles. According to The Green Guide, such bottles may be safe for one-time use, but reuse should be avoided because studies indicate they may leach DEHP—another probable human carcinogen—when they are in less than perfect condition.

    The good news is that such bottles are easy to recycle; just about every municipal recycling system will take them back. But using them is nonetheless far from environmentally responsible: The nonprofit Berkeley Ecology Center found that the manufacture of plastic #1 uses large amounts of energy and resources and generates toxic emissions and pollutants that contribute to global warming. And even though PET bottles can be recycled, millions find their way into landfills every day in the U.S. alone"

    Please, WFM, ease my troubled mind!

    Thank you for taking the time to read this.. Any reply would be appreciated.

    Josh
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  • In Sri Lanka, can be see natural waterfalls.so made easy fresh water bottles manufacture company.
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  • Hi there,
    As my journey continues to find the purest/best drinking water, including minerals, I have stumbled across the studies performed by the EWG. Just as I had decided that the WFM Italian Still Mineral Water was the best, I read the research reports that the EWG had published. All are stating that this brand graded an F. Can you please help me to determine why this brand neglects to state all the basic questions to consumers as to where it’s sourced or the filtration (I know that it supposedly NOT filtered conventionally, but why does it not say its filtered though natural rock) or offer a data sheet on how many minerals/contaminants it contains? Please help me. It concerns me that the EWG is stating that the safest water to drink is TAP water. Huh? We all know the dangers of drinking tap water.
    • Hi Jennifer,

      I looked at the report and figured out a couple of things. First, our only water to score an "F" was our Italian Still Mineral Water. The EWG rates on three basic criteria, the disclosure of the water source, the disclosure of the purification method, and the availability of Third-Party purification tests. For some reason, the EWG failed to notice on our label that the water was "bottled at Meti Source by La Galvanina SPA, Apecchio, PU, Italy." They even print this text on their report under the header "additional information." While not perfect, I respect that EWG is trying to bring more transparency to the bottled water industry.

      For more information on our bottled waters (including the purification methods used for all our waters), I'd refer to this previous question asked by another user where Teresa (who works in our Private Label division) provides A LOT of helpful info.

      https://getsatisfaction.com/wholefood...
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  • Sorry to jump into this thread so late. We have a million gallon per day natural spring going on the auction block April 22nd.

    For those interested in their own bottled water natural spring, you can check it out here, on our website.

    www.naturalspringforsale.com
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  • This reply is solely on research and does not imply that any chemicals are used in CGRC, CGRWC. Please do your own research if you would like further information in regards to any possible pharmaceutical additives, such as lithium or any other substance etc.

    Also please research the safe drinking water act and understand that bottled water is not regulated in any way, only domestic water is.
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    There are three Otsuka pharmaceutical industry companies in the U.S.

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    Financial information:
    Both companies are privately owned and do not
    publish annual reports. Otsuka America Inc., a
    privately owned company, has a controlling interest
    in both companies. Otsuka America Inc. is a
    subsidiary of the Japanese Pharmaceutical co
    mpany Otsuka Pharmaceuticals. Otsuka America
    Inc. is the holding company for Otsuka Group Pharmaceutical’s U.S. operations.
    Otsuka America Inc., purchased a controlling interest in Crystal Geyser in January 1991 for approximately $20 million (US).
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    According to a January 1991 article in the San Francisco
    Chronicle, the founders of Crystal Geyser (it was founded in 1977), Peter Gordon and Leo Soong,
    maintained a small equity stake in the company
    and retained management control of operations.
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    The Otsuka Group lists both companies
    on their webpage entitled “Otsuka Group
    Home&Abroad”.
    The Beverage Marketing Corp. listed “Crystal Ge
    yser” sixth on their top selling U.S. brands of
    bottled water for 2003.
    In 2004 Otsuka recorded 338billion Yen in sales ($2.99 billion US). It has over 5000 employees
    and describes its business as the manufacturing,
    distributing, exporting, and importing of
    pharmaceuticals, clinical testing equipment, m
    edical equipment, food products, cosmetics, and
    other related products
    This from Otsuka’s website
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    Otsuka Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd. (OPC) is engage
    d in the production of pharmaceutical products
    that contribute to the treatment of illness and co
    nsumer products that pr
    omote day-to-day health
    and well-being. Founded in 1921,the Otsuka Group has been active in the I.V. solutions business
    since 1946. OPC, established in 1964, has grown to become a leader in this field through its
    provision of nutrition management support for heal
    th professionals. In the 1970s, OPC initiated its
    own research and development program, and has since released numerous innovative
    pharmaceutical products, consolidat
    ing pharmaceuticals manufacturer.
    Expertise fostered in the course of our pharma
    ceutical products business has also been applied
    to the development of a range of consumer product
    s in the form of Nutraceuticals (nutrition +
    pharmaceuticals). OPC's business is currently op
    erated by seven business divisions, including
    the pharmaceutical Business Division a
    nd Consumer Products Business Division
    .”

    Source: http://www.insidethebottle.org/Corpor...
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  • Whole Foods has been forced into submission by Big Agro & now has MONSANTO board members who push about %30 GMO products in WF. Sadly you must pursue better options or put tremendous pressure on WF to boot off the Monsanto board members & go %100 ORGANIC/PURE NATURAL!!!!!!!
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  • I’m sad, confused, frustrated
    Joseph Mattingly
    I've recently been trying to find alkaline or at least neutral pH water. At WF I was shown the bottled water section and several selections of water marked as pH 8.8 or so. I bought one (a water from Iceland), took it home and tested it. The pH was about 5.6 (quite acidic). So I took it back and the manager of that department gave me another bottle as well as my money back on the other bottle. Again, I tested it and the pH was quite acidic. Everyone who dealt with me was very nice, but no one really knew about the pH of water and it seems WF has not tested any of these products to see if they're really alkaline. I'm just requesting that WF find a reliable source of alkaline water (or even neutral) and sell it. They would be doing us a big service. Perhaps just the plastic bottling is what's causing the problem. It's frustrating to try to find a good water (other than FIJI and they only sell those smaller bottles). As far as I can see, we're all drinking very acidic water in the U.S. Maybe that's part of what is making us a relatively unhealthy country.
    PS Someone this afternoon someone gave me a bottle of 365 spring water. Guess what? It tested at about 5.6!?!
    Help, please. With your resources maybe you can help us all out.
    Thanks.
    • That's unreal. I work at an independent health food store in Virginia Beach called Heritage and we actually had to pull our Iceland Spring water bottles from the shelves because a very good friend of our store as well as professional water tester found very similar results: Lower pH than what they claim to be. He found it to be around 7 though - very close to neutral. We do carry large sized bottles of Fiji water which remains popular to many people.

      Our owner has asked me to inform you guys that we are offering a 3 week free trial of KANGEN water that has a proven pH that can be as high as 9.5.

      We've been in touch with the US rep with Iceland Spring trying to understand the difference between what was tested by them to get a 'supposed' 8.8 pH (a 12 page report came back to us from them) and our friend Don who tested it using expensive gear and getting a lower reading of around 7.1 pH.

      Anyways, deception will not make a product popular.
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