MetalStorm: Wingman News (UPDATED)

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UPDATE:

At Z2live we take feedback seriously. We love our community, and so we'd like to give you a more specific update on what you can look forward to in the coming weeks:

- Re-working the plane and missile physics to be closer to the original MetalStorm: Online
- We've heard player's feedback on cannons, so we're going to give you the old system you've grown to love
- Fixing multiplayer bugs that have come up in this release (target indicators/ respwan)

The team is working diligently to get a revision out to you as soon as possible. Stay tuned for more details!

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Thank you for all your feedback about MetalStorm: Wingman! We’ve been listening to your feedback and concerns and will be re-balancing the game physics. We will keep you updated while we work to make MetalStorm: Wingman the best game it can be.
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Well, MSO Winman has been deleted from all of my apple devices.

I guess I would try for a re-balanced vesion.
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Fix the survival mode make it easier thanks
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[WarWolf] Donzibob

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Danusha, with all due respect, your not getting the point. You would have to completely redesign this entire app and that's not going to happen. Just give us the old version back, hackers and all! I would rather pay a fee for the unupdated version then spend a dime on the Wingman game. Many of us feel the same, seriously.
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Agree
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I officialy hate the game, ive lost 100+ sp to noobs!!! this game makes EVERYTHING look like an agility plane!!! the cannons are worthless now, vs is laggy as hell, AIs in survival are making it impossible to get to even wave five, bisnos are 100% undodgeable what so ever, and the game auto syncs before each game so i have to recalibrate every game. i like the new setup with the aiming but i can care less about my speed and altitude. i also like the new sounds. but now, its just crap. everytime i die i respawn with the guy already firing at me, everytime i kill them they respawn invvisable and i cant kill them so i turn out dead. fix EVERYTHING NOW causeim a loyal fan of MSO and now its bust.
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The main problem that needs fixing is the horrendous bug where the enemy plane spawns invisible behind you, and you no matter which way you turn or use the reverse camera, you can't find them. It's basically a free kill.

The gameplay changes themselves have a lot of promise and I think needs more time to evaluate what is good and bad.

Fix the spawn problem ASAP and people will be able to decide a lot better how they feel about all the changez to plane acceleration, gun physics etc. It's easy to day it all sucks when you lost so much XP to newbies because they spawned behind you invisible. Fix the spawns.
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Hate it.
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Son of Silence

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Don't bother fixing things in this game.This is not and will be MSO.
Z2Live says it's a update I see a total NEW GAME that comes with a game play that has nothing to do with MSO in any single aspect.
This is a 100% replacement which testing of it began several months ago due apples iOS5 release.
So I don't buy that kind of excuses of bugs and so on.
Z2Live wants to hold everybody on a leech because they realized that they brought themselves in very instable marketing position by releasing this piece of garbage.
I don't trust Z2Live anymore.To much lies in short time.
The Update in the previous version due hacking issues was totally rewritten within 2 weeks !!!.
And now after seas of time testing they come with this shit.
MARKETING MISCALCULATION thats there priority number 1.
And to save that they need us.And even in this situation they brought themselves in they won't give in to ones they need.
Z2live you mislead and abuse people for your benefits to save your instable coop.

GIVE US MSO BACK AND YOU GET YOUR COOP BACK.
IF YOU LET US DROWN IN THIS SHIT YOU GAVE YOU DROWN WITH US.

SHOW SOME RESPECT AND LET GO THE LEECH
BECAUSE YOU OW US NOW

the majority doesn't by that crap anymore

DEAL OR NO DEAL
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Hi everybody. In fact with some reflexion i actually know that the old version of MSO was like a unique diamond. Z2live have created in one shot a game the game that many videors were looking for many years. This diamond was already brilliant, with just a few problem. Sometimes these pbs were boring me and you all guys. But we continue to play. This game is just like a drug but a very good one. And when you play against someone stronger than u and when you beat him that's so good. Yes maybe, Z2live should go back and restore the old version. I suggest them to improve just the pb of cheaters, the pb of people who volontary die or suicide with no point in compenation. The pb of connexion. But really remember what was the old MSO a fantactic game quite perfect so when u have the quite perfetion don't try to change it deeply. Other solution, give us 2 applications. One with old mso and the other one MSW. I am sure the old one would be for a long time the favourite of everybody. I am 007FGTH in the game.
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It doesnt work!!! They should have tested it FIRST. Entirely to many problems . Cant get used to something that sucks compared to the first one. Should have left well enough alone.
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My suggestion:

Reset the game mechanics to EXACTLY the same that they were prior to the update, most importantly the physics of the cannons and the stats of the missiles (missiles track better and are faster now, and even though it can be cool, I hate it, it makes missiles WAY OP).

Cannons that force you to lead your target are just way to realistic for a casual game that people have come to love and get used to, and spend money on (I surprise myself how much I have spent and was planning to spend on this game, as long as it stays casual I might would spend more). And missiles that track better and are faster make the coin missiles unavoidable, and weapons planes are given a huge advantage. All matches are now just long distance, boring duels (could it really be called that?) about who can press the fire button fastest, and who has the missiles with the bigger boom. As far as missiles and cannons go, my opinion is to revert them to EXACTLY how they used to be before the 4.0 update.

I like the new HUD, it is nifty and a nice touch, but some people disapprove. My suggestion is to have an option (maybe under the iDevice "Settings" Application, with the other application settings) to toggle the Altimeter and Speedometer, and a option to toggle the old and new reticle (maybe give the old one a new color job to match the new HUD color). Not as necessary as the changes that urgently need to be made to cannons and missiles, but it would be nice.

The new plane speed physics is cool, and I don't really know how it will effect game play if (once) you make changes to the missile and cannon mechanics. At first I thought that increased speed in a dive would lead to crash-draw abuse, but I see that you made it so that any crash counts as a kill, regardless of damage (I commend you on this, it was a much requested exploit that you fixed). Once the issue with cannon-missile imbalance is fixed (by fixed I mean reverted back to the original), I will report back with how I feel about the speed tweaks, but for right now, all I can say is that you can reach the boundaries WAY to fast, going top speed towards the sky takes half the time to reach auto-pilot altitude than it used to, and the normal speed seems faster than the afterburner speed on the old version.

Please, before introducing any new planes (It pains me to say this, I REALLY want the Sukhoi PAK-FA T-50 with my updated proposed stats), make fixes to the cannons and missiles and revert them exactly to how they were prior to the update, so that this game can once again be the favorite of many high-paying players that make up the top 1000 of the leader-boards, the ones who will actually return to the game after playing it once.

While the numbers are small, there are those that have given up on this game and moved on to other (non-free) games that are similar to how MSO used to be. However, no game on the market could come close to the old MSO in terms of enjoyably, this is (or was, rather) my favorite and most-played iOS game ever, and I still would be coming back for more if the core components of the game hadn't been fundamentally changed to something that is not an update, but rather something that is different entirely. I do, however, hold a hope that the voices of a minority will be heard and listened to (two different actions entirely), and that MSO, or rather MSW, will revert back to its old game mechanics and entice old players and aces (and high paying customers) to play the game once again.

Regards,

[WarWolf] Beta
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Hiya Beta. You make very well thought out posts. However I have a question for you...

I completely agree that the old gameplay physics was tons of fun. I fell in love with the casual, arcade style too. Your general point seems to be "aint broke dont fix it" :-)

That said, do you think that the total dominance of agility class planes in an equal skill environment was how the game should be? How did you feel when you first purchased the game, and attempted to try out various planes? My experience was that I spent my first coins on the Tornado weapons plane, because it's my favourite plane in real life. But I also wanted to be fairly competitive in versus mode, and quickly found that I was playing some kind of rock/paper/scissors game, where I could beat defense, but get absolutely destroyed by any good agility player.

Soon after, I found this experience so frustrating that I switched to an agility plane (which wasn't the one I really wanted to fly), and discovered a whole new world of fun. I could defeat anyone, unless they were much better than me, and never do worse than draw against defense planes. I started to relish facing weapons planes, because I knew I'd be on their tail the whole round and it was a free win as long as I didn't drop my concentration.

Now if we're all having fun in our cannon vs cannon dogfights, that's good. But you can probably see that the balance of planes in MSO was never ideal. Only one third of the planes get used in high level play, along with the people who get high ranks from combining weapons class or green eagles with bisno/hades.

Would the top players not be open to any kind of tweaking to the way cannons work, to make the gap between agility class and everything else a bit smaller than it is? Perhaps they have gone too far with it, but needing to lead the target a bit isn't a terrible idea as long as it's not TOO difficult casual players.

I wish we could see how the different classes would match up if everything else was reverted to the old physics, except the new cannons. Your opinion?
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PS I'll put my thought into context by saying that I refuse to buy any coin weapons at all. My brief time using the Meteor missile with the Tornado allowed me to beat players more agile planes, but felt unfair... and I'm not made of money so was unsustainable.
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@ Dan : I think it's fair. It may not be rock-paper-scissors but it is a+b+c=100. Agility is best for vs. Defense is best for Survivor. Attack is good for vs. and good for Survivor. You may say survivor doesn't matter and that versus mode is where it's at, which is true, but you're forgetting something else. The skill. The average Agility class player is more skilled than the average defense class player and the average weapons class player. The defense player just need to get some distance and fire some missiles, banking on his armor regeneration. The attack player has cool lock rates and missile reload speeds and he, just needs to fire missiles. The agility class player, however, learns to get behind the opponent, find enough safe time to lock-on and then fire. That's because they have to. There's no other way to win it. Sure, Agility is still the best, but that's because it allows its users more room for development.

Besides, the best thing about the old version was the power skill held. There was no limit to how good you could become at the game. And a highly skilled player could still beat any player with any plane and any weapons in a fully upgraded Annihilator (basic plane) and stock weapons. That was the magic of it. It's now just a "fire and forget" game. Sure, it still takes skill, but once everybody's played a 1000 games and gotten used to it, it's all the same. No player is better than anybody else.
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I feel like this is a very old version of MS. It is like playing Call of Duty 3 after playing Black Opps. No, it is more like going from windows to dos! The next update will be in black and white.
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[KS] EagleEye

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Hmmmmm Good Point!
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Brad Dixon

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I was an early player, and fairly higly ranked (5%)... So I sorta know about the game... This version sucks! Speed, AI plane strategy, cannons, display... All inferior to MSO. IMHO.

Please bring back MSO! I think you forgot to do a substantial beta test.

Such a good game. So sad to say so long!
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Whilst z2 have obviously worked very hard on Wingman, it seems a shame that they have neglected the old saying that goes something like this:

If it isn't broke, then don't try to fix it.

As over 4 million people have downloaded this app, it would seem obvious that they were doing something right. And whilst any attempts to improve the game should be applauded, it's a real shame that this has led to a degradation of the game. Whilst some of the new features are indeed good, many are not. Therefore, in order assist z2 to recover this situation I have compiled a number of suggestions in order to facilitate restoring MSO to it's former glory.

Firstly, a number of good things to note. The new environments are good – there appears to me to be no less clarity as some have suggested and it's nice to have different areas to fly in. Additionally, the campaign mode is a step in the right direction - although of course there are niggles, like the need for coins instead of credits to continue etc, but in general the campaigns are a good addition. However, an addition is should have been, the functionality of the game was very good as it was. Therefore, let us move onto the areas that seem to need to be addressed:

- The cannons seem to be very hard to use now. There doesn't seem to be much indication when you are actually hitting the target. Previously when you hit the enemy this was indicated by little orange glows.

- The Red arrow indicators don't seem to accurately relay your opponents position – and if they do they show that opponents can now fly in very unpredictable and unrealistic ways. Perhaps this is down to server lag or something of that sort, but it the jerky nature of the jets movement, the unrealistic speed makes for a very frustrating game.

- The additional altitude etc indicators are unnecessary. They don't aid flying at all and simply take us screen space and prove to be a distraction. Why not just try and keep the intrusion of info and controls to a minimum? On this note, the addition of what I can only assume is meant to be parts of cockpit window seem unwarranted and again, take us viewing space.

- The distance the plane moves forward when accelerating seems excessive and causes the missiles to launch from behind your plane. In fact, in some of my tests my missiles seemed to fail to launch at all – or appeared to be firing in reverse!

- The sound effects are not really an improvement and whilst this is not a major issue they may become annoying - especially the 'flange' effect which makes things sound compressed and artificial.

- At one point, my jet disappeared. I was still flying and being hit by my opponent, but I couldn't see my plane – probably just a bug.

I am sure there are a lot of other issues that need to be addressed, but I think that will do for now. This was a truly great game, but at the moment it seems the only winners are the partners of those who were formerly addicted to playing it - as now they will now have more time and money to spend with each other.
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@danusha : i have been asking for last 3 days..
there is no campaign mode in my game..
where is it???do you guys mind responding????
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Due to the massive number of changes to the game and its content some players on older devices will be unable to take part in campaigns. The device requirements for MetalStorm: Wingman Campaigns are:
• Phone 3GS
• iPhone 4
• iPhone 4S
• iPod touch (3rd generation)
• iPod touch (4th generation)
• iPad
• iPad 2
• Requires iOS 4.1 or later.
If you are not seeing Campaigns as a listed option, you may have to upgrade your device. While Campaigns may not be available, we will continue to support older devices with patches and updates for Survival and Versus modes of the game.
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Death_ninja91

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What gb is iod 3rd gen
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Raymond (Old apple tree)

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I have campaign mode. Try reinstalling.
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Death_ninja91

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Did that but didnt work for me
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Man, I was ranked like #4,000 played this game for hours on end, now I deleted it. Wingman flat out sucks. They will now have to scramble to get the old loyal players back ,to no avail,...I will tell you why:

1. This whole upgrade was about $$$, them trying to make more, instead they screwed it up so bad, they will lose $$$.
Coins to continue in campaign mode? Oh, ok, that would be like "Angry Birds" charging you to save completed levels. Stupid move.

2. Cannons are now useless.

3. In campaign mode, direct hits with missiles cause NO damage whatsoever to targets,....yeah.....thats realistic. At least could a boat be crippled a little after hit, or an artillery gun be destroyed with one hit....like the real world?

4. Missiles fire invisibly. I hear them firing ,. .. .but where are they,....and why are they so slow now.

5. Long story line with cheezy cartoons in campaign mode,....god I hope they didnt pay those "actors"....seems like company execs wanting ego time, with absolutely no care for being succinct.

6. Bisnovat missile unvavoidabe,....yeah thats real fun. NOT . Even having them feels like cheating. But then again, they want you to feel like you have to have them,....I mean BUY them.

7. Altimeter? Speed? yeah, ok....real important while Im sitting on my couch. IDIOTS> Way to clutter the screen with absolutely useless green lines that obscure the orginal beautiful scenery

You want my advice? Give us back the old game, charge people for new planes, and cool customization, but dont be so stupid as to charge people to have invincible missiles and planes, so that everyone else quits.

Use your heads, and fire whatever kiss ass told you Wingman was needed, because he is obviously doesnt know a flipping thing about gameplay.

Metal Storms new motto : "If it aint broke, RUIN it"

All in the name of greed.
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Couldn't say it better I agree 100% with your statements.
I'am also pretty high ranked(205 last time I looked) and I have also REMOVED this worthless piece of garbage of my device.
I don't understand people complaining about this so called update and still keep playing.
I find this very strange but respect that choise.
But I won't play any game I dislike and MSW is on that list now to unless the gameplay as it was comes back.
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[WOW] AIRSTRIKE™

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I thought Id give it another shot...I JUST PLAYED SOMEONE AND COULDNT EVEN FIRE MY MISSLES....REALLY, COME ON!!!
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Same here man, and getting shot down by an invisible dog fighter. What's up with that.
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[WarWolf] Donzibob

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I know, I'm losing SR points like it's my job! They are working on it at least.
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Death_ninja91

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Tomhyland09 is right u need to really sack the dude who screwed this game up. I loved playing this game and half the time now its just crap
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The new update is great eventhough I do prefer the old cannon aiming/sound. The altimeter and speed readings are a great idea. The new camera view is also very nice.
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[WOW] AIRSTRIKE™

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Well, Your one of the VERY FEW!! Glad you like it. How long have you been playing this?? Im not trying to be smart but, really, you like this version?? Did you play the original version??
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Michael

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I have played MetalStorm since the original release.
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Death_ninja91

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Me here but i still prefer the last one
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[WOW] AIRSTRIKE™

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Ok, cool I was just wondering. So you have no other issues with this game. You prefer this game instead of MSO
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Speedmeter,Rareview,Altimeter all useless shit.
I wonder what U are doing in your plane,sightseeing and reading???.
I fly to kill and don't wanna look back to watch incoming missiles in my butt.
I understand why U like this game,U don't have a clue what MSO is all about.
So please keep on reading and enjoy the view dude.
U are not a MSO player for sure just a tourist.
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[WOW] AIRSTRIKE™

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LMAO!! ...sorry. That's good stuff.
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The speedometer isn't very useful, but the altimeter is a good idea to allow tactics like trying to get your opponent to fly into the ground, while making sure you're at a safe height.

The reverse view would allow advanced tactics involving use of the reverse direction swipe move, once players get used to it. If you can see exactly where your opponent is behind you, you can decide when to reverse direction and shoot a quick missile. It might work well for weapons class planes with very fast lock times.
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The time U are finished looking and calculation I have brought U down already dude.Is nice for tourists
It's blocking my view and distracts.
And if U concentrate on the fight U now where your opponent is.
The red arrow is all U need.
It's distracting useless shit that's blocking my VIEW which is most important to me in dogfight.
This version can't even stand in the shadow of MSO.
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Tornado74

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Friend, I don't have the cash to spend on new missiles in this game, so forget long distance travel. Call me a Google Earth tourist if you must.

But perhaps we do come from a different gaming demographic. Keeping your eye on multiple gauges and readouts, while still being able to concentrate on the frantic dogfight is something you find easier if you play Air combat sims like "Lock On". I'm also used to keeping my eye on a radar map while playing an FPS game.

I think the altimeter and reverse camera will prove useful useful for players with faster minds and reflexes.
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Who's talking about cash.
I only spend a few dollars on plane and upgrades.
That's it...
I don't fight with bought ammo just standard.
It is PROFEN that U don't need that shit in previous version.
Nothing to do with MIND and REFLEXES but FEELING.
My slow mind and reflexes your are assuming has brought me by the last 200 players.
Skill matters not meters it's total bullshit.
Perhaps a fuelmeter suites U to
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He he.... Good point.
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Just played K.S.A...great player..STILL CANT FIRE MISSLES. I watch my missle count when I fired and I heard them fire and the missle count was dropping but no visable missle launch. Its like they were blanks..HORRIBLE !!
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Iam loosing SR and spots in the chart. I reached top 200 now I'm like 250 noobs are killing me with hardly any skill!!!! Come on z2 this game is for nearly all ages, not for 5yr olds (where all players are equal and you don't keep score) I pretty much have stopped playing the new game.

Either release the old version I spent all my money on or atleast refund the money that was thrown away if it will not be returning. This is a totally different game many ppl are tired of saying it. This version will get none of my money unless it's back to old configuration. I don't understand why you have to even take the old version off and make this one a requirement. I played this game up to 5 hrs a day before the update, now I don't even play at all
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I agree 110 %, This is a damn shame. I played so much,I had to charge my iphone 3 times A DAY! You can keep the wingman game for the NUB 's, just bring back the the one we love. We all spent big$$$ on this game. NOT FAIR at all. I didnt mind getting my ass handed to me by real skilled players, but Nub's that are SR 600 and played 8 games. Cant take it!!
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Death_ninja91

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Want the old version bk too this new one is really shit
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God, all these people are saying exactly what i am feeling This is really crazy, I too was on this game four hours and hours and spent like 20 dollars a month for a long time on Bisnos. i was ranked top 5% and now it makes me sick to play at all. Someone said they "used to break out in a sweat" when they played. My pulse would almost always increase during close games Thanks for all the memories but now this game is done. Either put it back the way it was or close up shop. This is very depressing.
I always complained about the hackers to you guys and said you did not care. I regret complaining about the hackers. Let them hack, I beat them anyway most of the time. Give me back my game, please?

BJJDUDE2
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Id rather have the old version with the hackers then the new version without the hackers and i like most others have spent money on this game. I myself have spent over £65 = $105 at least so kindly give us our game back or u can give me my money bk. Ur choice dude. Lease make it a good one cuz to be honest i would like to continue playing this game. Oh yea even tho i reinstalled this game i still cant get the campaign mode on it so please fix it cuz i have a 3rd gen ipod so it should work just fine.
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I am ranked #104-110.
I loved MSO, I hate this new game (I will not say update). I will not detail the reasons, other gamers made it very well.

I don't think you will give us back MSO... This should show to the whole smartphone games market you made a mistake... Indeed, but you can't do that.

I have 99 coins left in game, gonna spend them for bisno (never used them but are great in this new game)

Then I will delete this shit.

Tonight I am sad, and I don't thank you for it.
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this game is bull shit , I like the old version with graphic , new updated is so hard to control,the red arrow turn around , like circle, make me crazy , tired , and the standard or ram missile is so hard to hit the target , unless you have to spend the money for bisnovat missile, , I never spend any more buck for this game , this game is POS
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[WarWolf] Txarrowhunter

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The news update sounds good. Now to the Do's
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ve lo dico in italiano: IO SONO vALENTINA cANFORA (ti ho purgato) e io sono il numero 11 in total versus e 5 in skill rating...adesso il gioco fa veramente schifo! io adoravo questo gioco...ci giocavo sempre spendendo anche tanti soldi..ma adesso giocare per essere battuto da uno alle prime armi...con gli aerei che spariscono...i missili che non si vedono..il gioco a scatti...il mitra che non serve...AVETE FATTO PER LA SECONDA VOLTA ( LA PRIMA A LUGLIO CON UN AGGIORNAMENTO VERGOGNOSO ) TREMENDO...avete rovinato tutto...RIMETTETE LA VERSIONE VECCHIA!!!E FATE UN ALTRO GIOCO COME VOLETE MA RIMETTETE LA VECCHIA VERSIONEEEEEEEEEEE...MA PROVATELI GLI AGGIORNAMENTI PRIMA!!!!!!!!DALLE STELLE ALLE STALLE..ADESSO ODIO QUESTO GIOCO.
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[WOW] AIRSTRIKE™

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THATS RIGHT....YOU TELL EM!!
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[WarWolf] Txarrowhunter

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Ti ho purgato, I speak Spanish and I totally agree. I can kind of make out what your saying cause Italian is somewhat close....get us the old version back is what he said cause he hates this one!
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[WarWolf] Beta™ [USAF]

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Other than the fact that you probably piss many people off because you only earned you spot on the leader board's by using Green Eagle+Bisnos+zeus, and use long-range cannon tactics to kill anyone and then sit pretty in your tank without letting anyone kill you, you are right, and they said that they would change it back.
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[WarWolf] Txarrowhunter

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Hahaha. Warwolf, have you ever been able to kill this guy? I always lose or draw. But yeah some of the top players use green eagles and usually always get one kill in the 2:30 gameplay.
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[WarWolf] Beta™ [USAF]

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Best I did was 1-2 with my thresher, he is a noob with his cannons, wouldnt last a second without coin weapons or a defense plane like the eagle, his SR would drop like a rock.
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The V4.0, seems increase missile reload rate. Then weapon class takes this advantage to kill its opponent in h2h, that will prevent weapon class to sink into dogfight.And reduce the cannon damage also reduce the advantage of agility class in dogfight. I think it's good way to balance between weapon and agility class. Overall, I don't like the time delay of afterburner, control and lag issue in this version.
By the way, good luck.
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Abolutely ti ho purgato always play with a green eagle . I play one 2 or 3 times and now i always refused to play with him. It is not really pleasant. But he is like us. He was really fond of the old mso like us. And this new version or new game, like u want, is really bad.
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Mario nicoletto

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Bjjdude2 signing off for good ranked top 100-110 I am deleting game spent lots of money on bisnos, the should miss me my question - what other games will I like similar to MSO? Keep the suggestions coming